anticirclejerk | The Third

I'm so sick of the string of Eridan apologists that app him into my main game with the purpose of playing him as sweet and ~so very sorry~ from the start. Guys, just stop. I'm not saying he can't be developed into something less likely to kill everyone in a room eventually, but he's not a good person. He was never written to BE a good person. If you don't want to play him as a villain, quit apping Eridan.

This.

namedrop some fuckers so we can hate on them

i know one and he's not in a game but he's on dear_mun all the time

wwhiner

plays insta-sorry/hates the caste system post-death eridan all the damn time

now trying to justify it by saying it's an 'AU'

as someone who also plays eridan he fills me with nothing but rage

i think part of the idea there is that hes just been through so many d_m threads that it got

hammered into his head

or something

"all credit to the artists" is the biggest copout

especially when we can see you pasting it under official art

the fuck is that default even, ugh

Well, the thing is that ~so very sorry~ Eridan being a problem is one thing, but saying it's a problem that people play pre-hopesplosion Eridan as not killing everyone in a room is entirely another. For one thing, he doesn't do that, until the hopesplosion. His introduction says "your penchant for mass murder notwithstanding, people tend to regard you as a BIT OF A TOOL", not "people tend to look at your as of yet entirely unrealized genocide complex, compare said issue to those of your other highblood friends, and conclude that you are the WORST KIND OF VILLAIN". He really isn't a villain, from a narrative standpoint, until the hopesplosion; this is the only time he actually is placed in an antagonist-like opposition to the other characters. He's not written as a GOOD person, by any means, but he's not the villain of Homestuck or anything. A villain? MAYBE. But the character whom defeating would solve all the characters' problems, as Hussie has said when discussing Vriska's potential villainy? (To clarify he was saying this as proof of her arguably non-villainous nature.) Hell fucking no.

A good rule of thumb is to compare him to the other murderous rampaging highbloods. Would you say this about playing Vriska or Gamzee as so very sorry?

(Also can I just note that Vriska is angsty and sorry after her murder incident, and she was SMILING at the moment thereof. Eridan feeling at least some regret by interpolating analogy is way fucking plausible.)

Why would I be talking about ~so very sorry~ Eridans that were pre-hopesplosion? That's my entire point, he gets apped in from after the murder spree and immediately feels all kinds of bad. It screws with my ability to play MY character when her killer is back and wants nothing more than to make it right. That's not Eridan. People need to quit making him instantly sorry.

But getting back to all this whitenoise about pre-killing spree Eridan, I like that "your penchant for mass murder notwithstanding..." quote is part of your argument that he's not such a bad guy. Eridan takes a lot of his cues from the violent troll historical figures, especially Dualscar. He's introduced with ambitious hopes of genocide and a habit of destroying the parents/guardians of nameless trolls to impress a girl. Sure, he's inept, and he's deliberately shown as not very GOOD at villainy yet, but to say his characterization as a murder-happy douchebag was some sort of eleventh-hour asspull is kind of dumb. He ALWAYS had the potential. He just didn't have the abilities until he showed up as a Prince with a science wand.

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I called him THE villain. I said he was not a good person, and he's definitely a villain.

When it comes to redemption arcs, I'd side-eye a Gamzee without a moirail or at least some sort of moral compass explaining what he was doing wrong. Vriska had canon moments of regret, so that'd be less difficult to justify.

And to address your analogy: Hey, do you remember that sequence where Equius and Aradia fought and then they kissed?

If you extrapolate a series of similar events that happened to AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER, Jade/Jadesprite could be canon.

oh my fucking god eridan wank again

okay
dude
just step back and think about what youre unleashing here

do you remember this (http://rpanons.dreamwidth.org/1834.html?thread=9164842#cmt9164842)

yeah that ended in people
denying
that he was in a kismesissitude with vriska

i know theres opportunity to go wrong both in blindly hating him and freely making a woobie out of him (i think that essay kanaya is plotting up a pale relationship with the eridan in her game??? wtf)
but i honestly think the haters are more prone to say things that are just plain fucking stupid

because he wasn't guaranteed to be in kismessitude with her

i know you have headcanoned that ship pretty hard but you need to step back and realize it isn't actually stated as canon and stop screwing up potential eridan players

and the people complaining about how eridan was being portrayed there? they didn't necessarily hate that character

I thought she got into a kismesissitude with Eridan to imitate her ancestor's relationship with dualscar?

fic where the characters mysteriously grow/have wings

usually goes something like 'oh no they are so hideous' -> 'hello wingperson i am your fandom slash favorite and looking so handsome and also your wings are beautiful?'

basically it's a pile of shit

think you might have misfired dude

goddammit this was meant to be for the anon asking what wingfic was >:(

time to c&p i guess

stupid flat view

she might have, but it's not a given thing and there's a lot of ways to interpret that stuff especially with vriska's conversation with eridan

the two most common interpretations i keep seeing with this is that she's either had a relationship with him or that she almost had something with him and it seems like a lot more people are into that second one more than the first

since it's not outright said which it was you can't just say which one happened for sure and it's sort of like it got said in that thread, if you don't have the proof of it you can't just come into a game and say it's canon

that being said though i'm not sure it would make sense for vriska to get into a relationship like that with eridan to be like mindfang since she had access to her whole journal and saw how badly that ended, one of the interesting things is that if she had been for sure with him is that it probably would have been out of slightly more genuine feelings for hating eridan than it would have been as a need to imitate mindfang

hell, i'd be interested in seeing a vriska player play around with that concept instead of the imitation one

well maybe it seems to you like a lot more people do but ive literally... never seen that possibility even brought up outside of these comms

like, besides the one Vriska who replied. I know of... at least 3 Vriskas in the public eye, personally, none of whom have claimed that it's not canon? And I mean I've never once seen outside of anoncomm any individual who denies it.

I mean I'm not saying shit, really, about what their relationship was like, like whether they kissed or whatever, whether it was imitation or whatever, or whatever or whatever or whatever

Just that it happened
and was caliginous
and was over at the time of canon
Which is like really NOT THAT DIFFERENT from what you're saying except you're in-fucking-sisting it wasn't necessarily a legitimate kismesissitude
And like I DON'T KNOW where you get off on this, or on insisting that the quadrant diagrams don't mean shit

And I mean you can stretch with "oh she only said it was 'fun while it lasted' it wasn't confirmed" as much as you want
You can even interpret it that way if you really want to break your neck on your own ass
But like on a scale of interpretations
"They didn't count as a thing at all" is on one side and "they had sweet kinky underage sex and ran away to Aruba together" is on the other
(Don't laugh, I have known someone who had Terezi and Karkat and Sollux experimenting sexually together precanon as their interpretation)
But the idea that they were a caliginous couple in canon should
I don't know
At least be in the middle or something
I mean like let it be the default
Because, really, in MSPA fandom as a whole, it IS the default, and this bizarre denialism is only a thing in DWRP
But yeah I mean forcing that they ever French kissed is one thing
But I would honestly be upset if as one of these characters I got the other apping in and saying they were never a thing
And that would be just as bad as apping in and insisting they were a thing

Why are we even doing this
We should just go to D_M and have hatemakeouts with our muses and it would get everything over with
Or not really but it would at least be hot
Who am I kidding it would only make all this way worse

what? what did i say about quadrant diagrams? where are you even getting that from?

and i've met people off this comm who play vriska (this includes people i've met in mspa forums, tumblr, and everywhere else) who think that she didn't have a thing with eridan, sorry to break it to you, but your view isn't a universal one

and no, no one has to let it be the default

why are you demanding people go with your view of canon?

and wow, i really hope you never play any of the characters involved in this discussion then if you're going to be so upset by someone possibly going 'wow, hey i don't vriska and eridan was a thing' seriously man, you're getting mad about people thinking it was a possibility that these two characters were never in a relationship

also you saying that fanon (which is what you're saying by having a group of people not in canon all agreeing on one point, and even then that doesn't work since hey other people have different ideas) is proving canon here is not helping this at all

take a step back and take a deep breath

people are allowed to disagree with you on this pairing when there is no 100% canon proof of it

you can play it as canon in a game if everyone else agrees to it too, but you basically saying that people can't ignore your interpretation isn't going to work

and vriska? said the rivalry was fun while it lasted, she said nothing about a kismesis

do you really think that trolls are incapable of platonic rivalry when they all have to fight with each other so much? she didn't have to delve into romantic territory to have a rivalry

vriska had a rivalry with terezi if you recall and it didn't get romantic

rival does not always equal kismesis

and fyi i do think vriska and eridan happened, but that doesn't mean my view gets to trump someone else's view while i'm playing with them in a game, i actually just bother to communicate with my castmates and make sure our views on relationships are the same and don't throw a fit about everything when oh no someone has a different view than me how dare they

wait, okay, i think we've had a miscommunication in here now that i've read one of your lines

i think you think i'm saying that the view of them not being in a relationship should trump the view of them being in a relationship as far as interpretations go

i think i've worded this badly, but what i mean is that you both have to not force that as canon onto the other player and try and reach compromises in game about this kind of stuff

just assuming one player is going to agree with you on the status of a relationship is what i'm saying not to do and presenting one side or the other as definite fact is going to be damaging for that

and yeah, that player assuming that stuff about terezi, sollux, and karkat and forcing it onto other players isn't an okay situation at all, but it's also creepy pedophilic stuff being a problem more than general interpretation stuff being the same as two people coming together with different, non-creepy, interpretations and just discussing how to compromise playing that in a game

and again where people get this interpretation is that vriska is capable of platonic rivalry and trolls in general seem to be capable of that

some people even point out in their interpretations that eridan might be more prone to seeing something that almost happened as something that did happen instead of, like i said, almost and that's why he'll say a relationship happened but maybe vriska won't

reread, fuck typos brah

Okay yeah what you're saying here does clear a lot of stuff up and looking back I guess I do regret some of the force of what I said

I guess what I really mean is... like... I mean, there's the problem of if you have one of them and not the other, and then what happens if one says "oh yeah that troll I dated back home, totally shitty kisser". Or something like that. And then you have the other waltzing in all "man what an awful troll it's probably good we never really dated". And it just kind of spirals downhill from there and. Yeah.

Also as for the other stuff don't worry about it, as far as I know the girl's not forcing it on anyone in a game, it's more her private headcanon interpretation that she holds close to her heart and never actually brings up in formal contexts because it was an awkward past thing, so...

same on regretting some of that force

and having that happen before to me i can say that as long as you and the other player are sensible people you can usually talk that out and either get a retcon quickly or, even better, figure out reasons for both your characters to have a different opinion on that (like having one character be convinced that kissing does equate to dating in that example while the other one doesn't think that counts could work)

usually it'd be better though to discuss things like that before they ever happen, but i can see some people just going for that before ever considering other people, but as long as they're not a problem player or a wanker i think it'll usually work out okay enough

if they're a a wanker though there's already going to be several problems as it is without that unfortunately

and i'm really glad she's not forcing that interpretation on anyone

it's not hard to get that eridan is a bad dude

and no, i don't care what you think about other characters in comparison to him, saying that either vriska or gamzee is worse or better than him doesn't matter

if you're still playing him like a sweet pie who'd never do anything wrong you shoudn't be allowed to touch this character with a thirty foot pole

Fuck apologetic Eridans.

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