anticirclejerk | The Fourth

'I'm pretty sure that between the four of them the entire game does get tagged'

It explains a lot that you guys figure as long as one character that one of you plays tags someone, you're all four good with that player.

Namedropping anon said 'all fo the four,' not one character that one of them plays. kthnx.

i have some CR with one of PRs chars, but I still notice the total lack of CR with her other chars and the other three players entirely. And the CR isn't even good, like a pity fuck.

tl;dr HAI GUYZ.

... nope. Not them. Someone who has CR with two of them and is cool with that.

I'm just not sure why it's imperative that all of these people need to tag you.

I don't understand the fixation.

As plenty of people have said, it's not about OMG THEY ALL NEED TO TAG ME!! We're not jealous of the 'popular kids', since no one really thinks of them as that (except apparently themselves), and I doubt anyone is fixated on getting CR with all of them. It's more that they are each pretty difficult to get CR with, so their posts tend to be inaccessible to a big part of the game - but they each play quite a few characters. There ends up being a bunch of posts and characters that we have to scroll past.

Actually, even that doesn't annoy me personally. I'm only annoyed by the fact that they ARE cliquey, and fairly obviously so, but every time it gets mentioned they feel the need to argue with the label. Guys, if you're going to be cliquey, be open about it so people know not to bother trying to build CR with you. You just make yourselves look bad by being cliquey and then arguing that you aren't and anyone who says so is only jealous of you because you're popular.

This.

I actually don't care that they're cliquey. My inbox is full enough without having to bother with them. Better that someone blatantly ignore and drop my tags and let me know they don't care about playing with me than give half-assed tags that waste my time when they don't actually want to develop meaningful CR.

But their attitude pisses me off like nothing else. Do they really think they can white wash their behavior with lame excuses and we're all just going to buy it? Either they think we're complete morons or they're pretty dumb themselves.

Dude. Dude. I play one character.

Not touching the rest of this because people can either play with me and see for themselves, or listen to nameless grudge-inspired vitriol on a hate community.

So to review. One character. Such inaccuracy!

It's not that we need them to tag us. We need them to own up to their crappy behavior and stop blaming it on the other players in the game being jealous or not tagging out enough. And we need new/existing players to understand that it's not THEIR fault that these cliquey players drop their tags and ignore them entirely.

I'm sure most of us, at this point, are happy enough with our CR in the game that we don't need theirs and we're mostly annoyed enough with them that we don't WANT it, either.

We don't complain in the hopes they'll tag us. We complain because it's shitty behavior and we're pointing it out and commiserating about it.

The solution here isn't for them to tag all the angry anons. The solution is for them to stop being assholes about their already dickish behavior.

Well, I for one actually would like CR with some of the characters they play, but I don't see why I should have to put in effort beyond tagging their posts. If I tag you, that means I want a tag back. I shouldn't have to PM you or find you on plurk to ask if I'm ever going to get a response and ultimately get nothing for it. My character gets tags from other players, and the response to him has been positive, so "be less shitty" or "tag out more" don't seem to apply here. And yet I'm still getting nothing.

Someone upthread described it perfectly: It's like someone is posting to a musebox you weren't invited to, but you can't get it off your friends list.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. For me, I just don't even want to play with them, tbh. But I do remember there was a time when I would've liked to be able to play with them. That ship has sailed off on the sea of their attitudes, though. There's only so many times you can read 'tag out more' before your attitude turns to 'fuck off more'.

Yeah, I understand that perfectly, I was just speaking out of frustration up there because it's not worth it to me to fight for threads just because I like a character. We're not castmates or anything.

Actually, I think I came off kind of entitled up there, so let me just say this much: I don't believe they owe me tags or anything like that. But when you go to all this trouble to say you're not cliquey and the fault lies in other people for not tagging out more when that's exactly what they've been doing? No. I'm sorry, but that's not going to fly. People DO tag them and get nothing for it, so they quit bothering and then get called on for not tagging out enough.

when you go to all this trouble to say you're not cliquey and the fault lies in other people for not tagging out more when that's exactly what they've been doing? No. I'm sorry, but that's not going to fly. People DO tag them and get nothing for it, so they quit bothering and then get called on for not tagging out enough.

I feel kind of dumb saying something now after watching this grow over the past few days, but maybe the sudden onslaught of mentions is giving me some courage. A different perspective certainly couldn't hurt.

On the one hand, this is kind of a hate meme. What did everyone expect to see here? Rainbows and unicorns? This is the same sort of thing people have been complaining about for a long time. It's not new. If you're so set on not being bothered by it, leave it be. On the other hand, the accusations being presented are very one-sided. One anonymous person typed up a list of names which they've decided consists of cliquey people. But my own personal experience says otherwise. I've had a lot more threads dropped by other players than by these guys. Everyone's experience is going to say something different. What does that mean? It means that nothing about this situation is abnormal.

The people mentioned have pretty obvious canon biases. They have long established CR circles in which their characters thrive. They have friends whom they prioritize sometimes. This is stuff everybody has. While it is frustrating and unfair to be pushed aside for these things, you can't tell people to stop having fun or to suddenly make their character act differently just because you don't like how the character is acting now. It doesn't work that way. If you believe a character who should get along well with one (or more) of theirs is being ignored for no good reason, then isn't that a characterization problem that should be taken to an HMD? If they ignore you there or cause problems at that point, then you're justified in taking it to someone who can deal with it properly. I can tell you it won't get that far because most of the people listed are level-headed when approached through what they consider to be proper channels (even anonymously). HMDs wouldn't exist if there weren't people out there who did want to know if they were doing something wrong.

It's being said that several people don't care about getting CR with these people anymore because they're tired of trying and getting no results. This is completely understandable. It definitely doesn't make someone a villain or something stupid like that. If you don't want to deal with them anymore, that's your right. It's also their right to not seek out CR with you, however. It's a two way street. Realize that a large part of the reason these people won't own up to what you want them to is likely because they're tired of hearing it, showing how they're improving and/or how the accusations are false, and then hearing it again.

I've never been the best with expressing my thoughts so they can be understood properly, but long story short, what I think I'm trying to say is that everybody's a little at fault, everybody's a little victimized, and I'm getting pretty tired of hearing both sides of the argument be wrong so often.

If you want to hate someone, hate the dumb scientists who fucked up and got everyone stuck in Adstring in the first place.

They suck.

This is a good post and you should feel good.

Especially those damn scientists.

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