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Re: THE HUNGER GAMES

[(Anonymous)]

Of course not. But if you enjoy watching a person get eaten alive, complete with listening to their piteous, visceral screams, it's highly unlikely that cannibalism (comparatively less brutal, especially as the book makes note that the boy tribute at least waited until the poor chaps were dead before he started gnawing on their arms) can do much in the way of startling you.

And I honestly think the Capitol would enjoy watching someone get ripped limb from limb by a hungry animal, because...well...the muttations, for one.

When there are so many intentional Ancient Rome parallels, it stands out that the most obvious parallel was the one discarded. Not just omitted, but brought into the spotlight, then discarded. The reason I am asking about it is because I want to know what the thinking behind such a decision could be. I am aware Katniss mentions that the boy tribute was probably insane, but who wouldn't be, when you're a minor fighting other minors for your life? Singling him out for insanity strikes me as odd. If anything, I think he was probably the smartest kid in his game.

da

[(Anonymous)]

I think honestly that what it boils down to is Collins was completely unable to write past her own squicks, prejudices, and moral codes to really give the characters their own. You kind of see this all through the books.

- The excess of the Capitol is written to be this ridiculous extravagant thing even by our standards because Collins couldn't conceive of the idea that our current American standard of living would be more than shocking enough to disgust someone raised like Katniss was.

- The Career tributes are written to be Pure Evil because Collins couldn't conceptualize a moral framework where a kid raised to murder other kids would be just as innocent and just as much a victim, ultimately, as an unprepared kid.

- Katniss talks about organ meat being the gross leavings they have to disguise and lie about to get people to eat. When she cleans her kills (like the rabbit) she tosses the organs, which -- unless you're an American like Collins who was brought up to think of offal as yucky and worthless -- is actually some delicious fucking eating and extremely high in nutrition. The heart and liver should be fought over by the people Greasy Sae serves, not hidden with a bunch of other stuff in stew she lies about.

I could make this whole huge list but I'll spare you. tl;dr, it's what bothered me most about the books: ultimately things are wrong because Suzanne Collins, the modern American Catholic writer, thinks they're wrong, not because there's in-universe moral reasonings for them being wrong.

dda

[(Anonymous)]

The Careers are written as victims. Katniss doesn't feel the same sympathy for them as she does for the young or crippled tributes, but she does still hate seeing them get killed, especially in the second book.

They're written as "evil" partly because it's a YA book and those types of books still deal with issues of black and white morality. But yeah, raising a child to murder other kids would warp them just a bit. Of course they're not be as innocent as, say, Rue or even Katniss. You can't honestly think that's not the case.

But the organ meat, that always bothered me, too. It's like Collins didn't even bother learning about the nutritional value of what her characters were so desperate to have.

ddda

[(Anonymous)]

The organ thing doesn't bother me that much since Panem is more or less where America was and its possible that some of the beliefs and stuff towards food could have survived whatever the hell changed humanity from what it is now to then.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

That is true, except that there are a lot of regions in the US where organ meats are grilled or stewed with the rest of the animal. Poorer regions mostly, yeah, so maybe they were wiped out in the war that created Panem.