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I am going to delete all the dumb, aspergers worthy discussion threads.

this is not the place for talking about butts and farts and shrimp. take that to your plurk or rpanons.

also, to anyone in that plurk because i know you're furiously f5ing this meme and shlicking to the idea of being namedropped, maybe you should stop blaming the hate meme and start blaming the two-faced bitches you associate with who leak your private shit.

hth, mouthbreathing motherfuckers.

"No kidding. This breach of privacy can be argued on the fact that the people posting the caps were given permission to be in the private links. So the fault isn't on Anticirclejerk or the ACJ mod, but the component that decided to make the screencap." - Anon

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I'm wondering if Leca had a hand in all this whining to DW about privacy being breached. There are friends of hers all up in that privacy plurk talking about how unfair it is that anons talked about how "someone" shouldn't have a kid.

It's just like her to freak out over feeling "unsafe" because someone disagreed with her. Nevermind that her plurk had like 250 people on it for the longest time. It was still SUPER PRIVATE and how dare anyone betray her like that!

Just a coincidence maybe, but it sure would fit.

Don't forget that while it was SUPER PRIVATE, tons of indeed private bullshit nobody cares about half the time were plurked regularly. One simply does not post every little thing about themselves and their day in a place open to 200+ strangers if they want privacy. Geez it's not that hard.

This shit is exactly why Leca is one of those people who's what's wrong with DW RP.

200+ people on your plurk and adding everyone every month when you join a new game is not fucking private. It's the RP equivalent of standing in the middle of a shopping mall on Sunday afternoon yelling about your sexual abuse and your medical problems and your masturbatory habits at the top of your lungs and then throwing a fit because "bwah bwah those people over there on their way into that shop are pointing and laughing at me, rebuild the shopping mall to protect me!"

Idgaf what she says, Leca and people like her aren't the victims in this. They're the damn perpetrators.

Seriously.

Wow super classy of her friends to show how much they respect her privacy by dragging her drama into that public plurk to use as a self-righteous talking point.

don't you know it's okay to spew personal details about someone as long as you're a friend and it creates pity-pats?

leca and her buddies have no fucking clue about the real world or that there's more to it than how they see it.

so much hypocrisy from every single one of them. privacy and respect my fucking left tit.

Better get your bets in for how fast she can explain away her character's canon sexuality to make fucking a guy A-OK! From the look of the newest of her 100 logs, whoever has "1.5 weeks in the game" is about to win.

super fucking classy.

yeah, i'll just sit here and wait to see the reasoning roll on through and keep my mouth shut while everyone lines up to pat leca's ass about how it all makes ~perfect~ sense and it's such a cool and edgy and interesting thing she's got going on with willow and loki.

puke.

But, anon, Willow saying she's gay doesn't count. Leca has such a ~deep and meaningful~ understanding of her characters' sexuality, she knows when canon is wrong! She thinks about how they masturbate, remember?

Save me a place in line, I'm puking next.

I was gonna say I threw up in my mouth a little. But then I realized there's a queue and I have to wait like a civilized person.

This most recent log she posted? I will never understand how anyone who writes anything so flat, generic, and uninspired can go around with such a huge chip on their shoulder about their insight into character sexuality and constantly be getting asspats for it.

tbf Willow does have canon attraction to men and is pretty obviously bisexual but identifies as being a lesbian.

>pretty obviously bisexual
>identifies as being a lesbian

You actually don't see any problem with what you just said, do you?

Protip, anon:
If you actually think that what you observe of someone's sexuality can trump what they say about it themselves...

If you actually think that someone who has straight relationships as a young adult and then grows up and comes out must *really* be bi and not gay because they didn't always act on 100% same sex attractions from the time they were two...

If you actually think that it's okay to outright deny that a character identifies as gay in canon just to justify your avoidance of their sexuality and pretend that you're being edgy...

THEN YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT AS WELL AS A DISGUSTING PERSON

But I'm sure Leca would be thrilled to have a whiteknight, so by all means, do continue!

are you a fucking idiot?

like that isn't what I said at all.

what I said was no it's not beyond the realm of possibility to have her attracted to a man and after hearing the full context of what Leca's doing with it.

I.

THINK.

IT'S.

DISGUSTING.

because you're dealing with a character that was really mistreated in regards to sexuality. you need to tread lightly no matter what you're doing, especially if you're taking her from the canon point you are so maybe there's no need to imply a lot of really hideous shit about me before knowing the whole fucking story.

LOL That's cute backtracking there, but you'll notice from the fact that I quoted your exact words that that is indeed exactly what you said.

If you want someone not to call you on on what you say then get your facts straight first and (here's the kicker) think about what your words are actually saying before you click post.

No one reads what you mean to say. They read what you DO say. And what you said was that a character who calls herself gay is "pretty obviously bisexual" despite her own words otherwise. At no point did you say "it's not beyond the realm of possibility to have her attracted to a man." (Personally, I don't disagree with that. I think that with the right development it could definitely be possible, but that's neither here nor there.)

It's your poor fortune if you can't tell the difference between the statement that you did make and the one that you wanted to.

like i said to the below anon this was a stupid as fuck move on my behalf to reply in the first place both a) without knowing the full story and b) for not being clearer in my explanation.

sorry for being a dumbass and not thinking fully about what i said before i type. agree with you guys on the handling of this. agree that this was my bad to even comment in the first place.

Canon is admittedly problematic, in that it falls into the trap of having gay and straight and nothing in between. The issue with Leca is that she skipped a bunch of steps, and hardly bothered to so much as pay lip service to them. She went right to Willow being ready to jump Loki's bones, within 2 weeks of Willow having just lost Tara, being solely attracted to women, and identifying as gay. And she blatantly seems to have done it for the sake of a ship she, the player, wanted. Having an attraction to men is one thing, but outright ignoring canon self-identification, and canon events that are recent from Willow's point of view, as Leca's tried to justify doing, smells like cheating to me.

well I didn't know that.

then lmfao yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah that is extremely problematic since I really don't see willow getting involved with anyone two weeks after Tara's death. because I feel like yeah from what we're given in canon, it wouldn't be ooc to have very confusing feelings for a man despite coming to identify as a lesbian.

but that. right there.

is extremely offensive.

Isn't she post-England?

Immediately post, from the plane home. I said < 2 weeks, but I meant in game. I don't know exactly how long from Tara's death. Not a lot longer, and the fallout from it all wrt to Willow's relationship with her friends is still unresolved.

I think it's icky to have her jump right into a ship with anyone, at that point in her timeline, all the more without any real questioning about being with her non-preferred gender. Plus, Leca started angling for the ship right away, and went off on Plurk with a justification that was a tl;dr version of "I don't care if she says she's gay, I'll play her however I want." That's the part that's gross to me.

wow you can tell you're buddies with leca with an attitude like that.

the anons above me are also spot on, but i can also tell you for free that i hope you don't say shit like that to people who identify as lesbians but had relationships with men in their pasts irl because they would punch you in the face. and you'd deserve it.

you might not know it, but not only are you being a homophobic dickwad, you're also being biphobic by conflating the two identities.

no, tbf, none of what you've said is okay, makes any of this better, or redeems leca's jump-dick-quick scheme. if anything, you've made this all worse. go you :)

fuck you.

seriously go fuck yourself.

if you can't see that joss fucking whedon wrote an extremely problematic canon to begin with by perpetuating bisexual erasure then go fuck yourself.

because that had nothing to do with leca and everything to do with the fact that joss whedon did some extremely problematic shit with willow.

you might not know it but maaaaaaybe my comment wasn't about leca's misshandling of a character and their sexuality but about Joss Whedon's own mishandling of the same fucking shit.

i suppose you're one of those people who think Glee's also a paragon of awesomeness and perfect handling of queer issues too.

hth. :)

you first sweetcheeks, it's good to see you're so violently pissed off whenever someone disagrees with you or calls you on your shit.

funnily enough, i can and do see how joss whedon does all his troubling shit, but that's actually got fuck all to do with this and a lot to do with both yours and leca's gross attitudes and not having the sense to actually say what you mean in an argument about leca's handling. if you want to talk about jw's fucked up handling of sexuality then go do it in the canon thread, that's not what this one is for, because we don't give a fat fuck about "craicrai back-peddle! not about leca! all about jw!" bs.

it's funny how you're all butter and cream with the anon above but you want to be all high horse over here because you've been called on shit more directly. that's charming. i'm still one of those lesbians who would punch you in the face for this bs and even moreso for screaming bi-erasure in response to biphobia.

look i will admit that I probably should have brought it up in the canon thread because i didn't know that much about what was actually going on other than that an RPer was playing willow as being interested in a man. my bad. that was stupid on my behalf and I probably should've asked for more information before sticking my nose into this argument. when the above anon explained the context of what she fully did i more than freely admitted my mistake. her handling of this issue is incredibly problematic because while you can make an argument for a relationship with a man if you take her from say... season 2, taking her from right after the love of her life's death and from a time where she is identifying as being gay is incredibly insulting. and I apologize for butting into an argument that i didn't know too much about. you can call me a fucking idiot for doing that because what the fuck ever this is anon and people are more hostile by nature.

but when you start throwing out words like homophobic and biphobic it immediately puts people on the defensive. but again, what the fuck ever this is anon. i can't take back what i said and i stand by my right to be insulted about that. but like i guess i invited it by butting into a conversation without knowing the full story.

so long story short, I am a stupid fuck for not asking for the full story before commenting. because it did nothing here but make me look like a total dumbass.

it's actually good you apologize and realise the fuck up, that's cool, anon, and yeah i do also get that having uncomfortable things pointed out to you puts you on the defensive pretty quick. i do get that. be offended all you want, but being offended that someone called you out on what you have said isn't actually you be offended at me but at having your own stuff returned to you.

yes this is anon, but that doesn't mean there aren't anons behind the anon. so i don't doubt you feel like a dumbass but i do appreciate the apology and i do understand being on the defensive when someone calls you on something that you don't want to hear.

so don't go off and beat yourself up over it. instead go forth being able to admit when you're wrong and don't sweat it. learn from the mistakes, don't labor under them. we all fuck up and we learn the most when we do thoroughly fuck up even though it feels really horrible when it happens.

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