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[(Anonymous)]

Canon itself plays with it, if only for laughs.

There's your problem. Mini doesn't play it for laughs. And your entire paragraph does not give the impression that you interpret it for laughs.

[(Anonymous)]

My point is that making him gay is not a completely unjustified direction, nor would be making him snippy with romantic rivals. If he can be gay, his hypothetical dislike of his current boyfriend's wife even if serious would be a supportable play direction, given the situation with Rin looks a lot like that at times. We don't see Issei in a terrible lot of serious situations, much less romantic, but his petty possessiveness (or simple over protectiveness, or however you'd like to read it) over Shirou is shown towards both Rin and even Shinji in H/A. It is an enduring trait.

Mini is playing a character who not only allows for a lot of head-canon and leeway but who requires it. I can not speak for TVK, but at least at DDD he has not been unpleasant towards female characters just for being female. Likewise, in H/A, Issei is perfectly fine towards most of the girls he interacts with. I do see how he could be read as prone to sexism once already given another cue to dislike someone, however. I believe Issei's only negative CR at DDD at this moment is male, so that's a moot point.

If Lancer's wife were to be apped, I'd like to believe Mini would be pleasant with the player; unfortunately with this thread, people would likely and rightly suspect she was apped for the wrong purposes.

That's a shame because I believe in Lancer's playing abilities and would have greatly enjoyed watching where things went if such a development were possible with her limited canon and with good faith in all players involved.

[(Anonymous)]

Shown towards Shinji, shown towards Rin

Two people that have given him excessive behavioral issues (in the former) and clear joke-rival manipulation issues (in the later).

You have no canon basis that Gráinne is in any way like Rin. Reading the blurb during vol 2, or even exerts of the legend around the internet would let you know the light of Gráinne's character.

You (and Mini) have no solid basis for Issei's gay interpretation. You've said it yourself that you'd be willing to take what's initially a joke character trait and play it straight to see what transpires (protip: this shitstorm is the result).

Issei is not a character that requires acres of headcanon. Rather, you just need not play him as DEEP as other TM types who get more screentime. His life is SUPPOSED to be normal and average in comparison to the likes of Shirou, Rin, Sakura, etc. That's one of the points of his character: to be able to contrast the swords and sorcery for the plain and mundane.

And the final nail in the coffin: Lancer is not a deliberate dishonorable bastard. There's nowhere for that plot you're hoping for to go but down in flames, and that's the sole reason why. If Lancer's player were anything about caring on canon, then there wouldn't BE an Issei/Diarmuid ship to begin with. And given the level of hell Diarmuid went through to uphold both his honor AND the Geis Gráinne placed on him, not to mention the love that developed for her, Issei won't and should not be able to compete. And it'd end in a bloody mess in no one's favor.

Write a fic if you want to see that kind of trainwreck, but don't wish it on players who would be dishonest about how their characters are supposed to act.

And my point still stands: justification to play a joke trait dramatically straight is shitty playing, no matter how you slice it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's valid to read him as gay: again, see Shirou's surprise at him approving of women at all, towards both Saber and Caster, in non-joke moments. Even if most of the 'evidence' is in jokes (looks like a jealous love rival with Rin at times), it's possible to play the gay low-key and straight (haha, I kill me). What is wrong with making him gay? There's no evidence he is or isn't heterosexual, bisexual, asexual or whatever the new sexualities the social justice sphere is making up now; the only thing that can be determined is that his sexuality being the forefront of his visible characterization as it's not a commonly expressed frontal trait. Issei is not a cock mongling manslut who flirts with every male he interacts with in DDD. As far as I know, his relationship with Lancer became one because of non-flirtatious interactions of mutual respect, support and concern.

I do agree that she strayed from the normal, average angle quite a lot, but he's been at DDD for four or five years, knee deep in swords, sorcery and more. He's been fourth walled. He knows what goes on in his world now. Most of his posts, though, are average discussion posts or snippets of monk life.


Why is Issei/Diarmuid impossible from Lancer's angle, given that as far as he knows Grainne is out of his reach forever, and Issei is his ticket out of a canon he's been fourthwalled on which lead to him thinking a rage filled "fuck everyone involved"? If Grainne were to arrive, I do agree that Issei should not be able to compete, but I don't think it'd be a mark against Mini, the player, if Issei were to view her as a manipulative man stealing bitch (even if he were wrong). Someone accused her of not wanting to play Issei's negative traits; this would be doing so.

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[(Anonymous)]

*the only thing that can be determined is that his sexuality SHOULD NOT BE AT the forefront of his visible characterization as it's not a commonly expressed frontal trait

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon but

It doesn't matter if Issei is straight or gay. His father is head priest at a temple and it's a job that Issei plans to take once he gets old enough. This is super serious to him.

A little hint, buddhist priests and monks are completely celibate. That is why he has such a bad reaction to women. He sees them as someone who has come to take away his celibacy so he can't be a priest anymore.

I don't give a fuck whether he's straight or gay. What I do give a fuck about is Issei getting into relationships when his life goal is to be single and have no attachments to the physical world.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't his group one that allows meat eating, marriage, etc.? Issei's father is temple head, Issei has a blood brother, and Souichirou had a fiance.

I really don't know much about Buddhism so I may be wrong here and I'll accept THAT as a legitimate problem with her playing if there's an explanation for the other people from the temple (his father, Souichirou) implying relationships of a sexual nature.

[(Anonymous)]

Buddhist priests have to be celibate after giving their vows but they can remove their vows at any time, only to take them again later.

Souichirou doesn't seem all that serious about it but Issei's entire characterization point is how serious he takes his religion. He's obviously planning to reach enlightenment and to do that, buddhists need to remove all physical things that hold them back. I doubt Issei wants to have anything to tie him down to his physical body and distract him which is why I seriously doubt he wants to be involved in any relationship until he can reach the status he wants to be at.

[(Anonymous)]

Issei's father had either taken the vows after having children or took the vows, removed them, had two kids, then took them back. His brother tried to date Taiga; it could be said that he simply didn't take it as seriously but Issei did look up to him.

Is it possible the character has an inconsistent blind spot he allows himself regarding his lovers? Particularly given three of his role models are all romantically inclined... He may be upset at the mere concept of foul temptresses, but when actually presented with it, he may not deal with the cognitive dissonance it should create. He has been positively incensed at some of his negative CR for calling him a bad monk, so it seems she plays as if Issei takes it seriously, even while not necessarily being perfect at it.