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[(Anonymous)]

To my understanding of things, explanation!anon is adding explanation that isn't necessary unless it's actually correct. Which is why there couldn't be anything else to offer: if you think reincarnation and rebirth are "the same shit", then Usagi would be no different from the other sailors in terms of relation to past self. That's what I've always thought of it as. What is there to explain? I don't see strong evidence that her memories worked differently from the others. She gains a lot of different memories of the past life once she's revealed as the princess. (Also, that discussion of Serenity's hair? There's no "really?" from Usagi. She doesn't say anything to Venus' comment. Other details in the argument stuck out as erroneous too.)

PGSM does make those identities separate, but PGSM does a lot of things different. Going by manga & anime only I don't see the need to make them separate people. Instead it muddles the original Queen Serenity's actions if she tried to give her daughter another life, except the new life isn't her daughter while everyone else is, and this is by design. From her wish, Usagi should = Princess Serenity, the same way everyone else = their past lives. Just in a different situation. I don't see a blatant personality change in the moon flashbacks.

But what sticks out most for me is how Usagi identifies herself in the conclusion. Explanation!anon claimed that Sailor Moon is always Usagi. Which I agree with! But Sailor Moon states she is both Sailor Moon and Princess Serenity.

http://mangafox.me/manga/sailor_moon/v03/c013/46.html

So if Sailor Moon == Princess Serenity in the manga, by Sailor Moon's words, doesn't it follow Usagi == Princess Serenity? At least for manga. She does have some identity crisis in the chapter following the princess reveal, but I think it's understandable in the stress of everything changing suddenly.

Even making that case, I think the headcanon/canon thing should be let go, since the thread slid from talking about how Usagi isn't in charge of the Princess' actions, which is PGSM canon, to her identity across all the mediums, and some wires may have gotten crossed in the transition.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that the senshi/civilian identities are entirely different people is ONLY in PGSM. Blurring the lines between anime and manga is one thing, but PGSM is such a very different thing that it shouldn't be allowed to bleed, IMHO.

da

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree with this. In PGSM Mercury is still the same as Ami, Mars is the same as Rei and so on. The only one who is different is PRINCESS Sailor Moon, you know when she transforms in a fancy senshi outfit with a crown and all. Only that one is a different person from normal Usagi/Sailor Moon.

Anyway this just makes it worse with Waterfell because she uses PGSM as the base for all her canon knowledge (seriously talk with her and she will mention PGSM scenes before thinking of the manga or the anime), yet she insists in that they all are the same even across AUs and what not. I just cringe every time I see her throw her character at manga/anime senshi and treats them right from the start as if they were the PGSM versions and expects them to act the same and if they don't (because there are things the PGSM girls have that the others don't, the same is true the other way around) she complains and calls them OOC or metagames and forces things be her way.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

To my understanding, Princess Serenity and Usagi while quintessentially the same, are different in many areas at least specifically in the anime.

In the anime we constantly hear about how "graceful, elegant, kind, etc." she was. We actually have villains in the first season look at Usagi and go "well, she can't be the princess because LOOK AT HER! Look at the differences!" So I think, this is where it's more or less a reincarnation. Same soul, same core values but different personalities because, let's be perfectly honest, Usagi was raised by different people in a completely different era.

So in that sense, both manga and anime Usagi ARE different from Princess Serenity. And yes, she IS princess Serenity but it's a past life sort of deal. She knows who she was before being reborn/reincarnated but she's still different. If nothing else, a major difference is being human vs. lunarian. So on that level, she sort of HAS to be a different person because the main issue was "Humans and Lunarians cannot intermingle." (Of course, this gets thrown out the flipping window when in the manga in the first season when Luna goes "Alright Usagi, you've rebuilt the moon kingdom, you need to come back as it's ruler now.")

So I think you kind of have to look at is as "They're the same yet different" (which I know isn't helpful, sorry ^^; ). Because even though they're the same where it counts, they ARE different people in the sense of Usagi being reborn/reincarnated, having a different personality, different desires, and just a different upbringing.

The same can be said for all the senshi because (whether anime or manga) they had their lives in the past of the Silver Millennium, they have new lives in the modern age. Although we get a hint that the Outer Senshi are more or less the same from their past lives selves, they still aren't the same people. They all get a chance to live together and be happy together, something that they couldn't do in their past lives.

It's again, unfortunately, the "same yet different."