anticirclejerk | The Ninth

I'll tag back to not be obvious. DDD has problems with people saying other players who don't tag out even when people tag them. I'll be mentioned in the next list of people and that's all.

That's why other people who don't want to play with her want her to drop. I'm just fine with being passive aggressive.

I can see people who had problems with her modding wanting her to drop even without it being a a grudge. Nobody is going giving her un-anon crit ever again. Anons will be labelled grudgewankers. She's beyond reasonable reproach so even if you believe in second chances she's not worth the risk.

Shit, that's harsh and making this game look bad. Prepare yourself for those whiteknights. I don't think you all have to take it to that extreme, if both sides could let this die down quietly. It was one of Greedmun's defenders that did start this ACJ thread in the first place. If Jade and Greedmun simply settled this by themselves, I wonder if this would be that bad.

Maybe he dropped and that's how they settled it. We haven't heard from her. He's holding out on his personal feelings right now. It's clear he's mad but that could be at her or us or both. I don't know.

I do know that if you think she's suspicious your choices are take a risk on her anyway, be passive aggressive, or pray she drops.

Yeah, I'll take my chances, thanks. And I don't think optimism is necessary for that and to think both sides are dramatizing this way too much (saying she's "beyond reasonable reproach" from you, and people on Jade's side going to each and every damn person I named, which I'm still sorry for). I keep on picturing a bunch of velociraptors screeching at each other. Whoops, guess I'm the one joking around now. Sorry anons.

(FYI other anons, the reason I'm not tagging the post is for most of the reasons in the list given by another anon.)

She took the crit and she didn't ignore it. She improved, if you noticed. There have been no godmodding or info-pulling issues since she received the crit in either case. How is that "beyond reasonable reproach"? Yes, it was a bad idea to go on this witch hunt, but it's probably anons that are more concerned and upset with the revealed attitude of this game by now than anything else. Even I'm worried about being ignored by is game-wide ooc ignoring of characters now! You're only re-establishing we do have a problem as a playerbase because it's not affecting only Jade. In case you didn't know, Jade is one to go out and ask or remind people for tags, threads, or CR. She even said she did this with Greedmun, and he said she wasn't being annoying when she did so! What are you going to do then? Limit as much as possible? There's no way to prove her guilt or innocence. The grudges now all held against Jade are much greater than any hypothetical grudge she could have possibly had after taking crit well and improving her playing.

Uh, she's barely posted since then so I don't know how anyone can say she's improved or not.

No one who suspects her is ever going to give future crit un-anon. Concerns are being invalidated by calling them a grudge.

Do you want to play with someone you can't crit if you need to? It's reasonable to believe she wanked on someone who gave her crit. Out of the people suspecting her nobody wants to risk being the next victim just to prove she's a wanker. Much as her whiteknights want to believe we do, we do not all have a grudge.

Most of us are just covering our own asses because daaaaayum that's suspicious and she's not worth the trouble.

Since the first logged in crit she has improved. It's literally been months and she's never once used any power against another player. That was only BRS, and Greedmun talked to her too, and it was Greedmun that went to rpanons and vented about it. There was no wank generated from Jade or BRSmun then about Greed or any other player. Things were settled though, and it's clear that both have improved.

The only other crit she received was the info-modding, which was anon, and yes I agree that it's too soon to tell. But all other crit (logged in, even!) she received was never brought up by her and she improved on it. You all are taking is way out of proportion, no one is above receiving crit.

*this, even

if you can get your mind around the fact that alot of coincidences in a very short time looks fishy you should be able to see why people wouldn't feel safe criting her in the future

you don't have to suspect her to see how a rational person could

but you're more interested in making everyone who suspects her look like grudgewankers so accepting that it looks suspicious to most is too much to ask

I know that it is suspicious to many other people, but saying that she can't take crit and should be avoided completely is unnecessary on your part, as she did take logged in crit before, there was no suspicion of wank, and she improved. Just use the opt out post and stop making our game look bad.

I'm still baffled as to why a mun supposedly taking crit badly would lead to avoidance and wank. Those sorts of matters should be taken to mods. There are way worse things she could have done to deserve this kind of treatment.

Um...hello? She did improve on that logged-in crit. I remember reading that logged-in crit and Greedmun's resulting vent, which was unnecessary seeing as he and others did go to the mods and he gave it no time for the mods or Jade and BRS to rectify itself. There was no wank or suspicion of wank from Jade or BRS during that time, only Greedmun, and the conflict was settled.... except for a few stragglers that don't believe it was settled, and so are now known as the 'grudgeanons' from months ago. Why do they still have a grudge if she improved and it was settled, as both Greed and Tay believe, according to their own comments? I don't know how this logged-out crit and suspicions is overshadowing the fact that she improved when given logged-in crit and no wank or others were targeted by anyone.

To break it down for you:
Case A: Logged in crit of godmodding by Greedmun.
> Greedmun gives crit, Jade takes it as crit only in hindsight.
> Problem brought to the mod team anyways.
> Greedmun's already vented on rpanons.
> No wank made by Jade or Turtle, but Greedmun's vent started to get wanky by other anons then and some anons already want her to drop.
> HOWEVER, issues are settled, both improve their playing, and there's no more godmodding. Greedmun says it's been settled. Tay says it's settled.
Conclusion? She took the crit, she didn't wank, and she improved. That alone says she can take crit with no one being affected.

Case B: Logged-out crit on info-modding.
> Suspicious activity starts. No, it doesn't take a genius to put two and two together. It does seem fishy.
> Anons viciously defend Greedmun and call for Jade to drop.
> Greedmun says he will give Jade an answer. They probably did discuss something privately.
> Ozaki drops.
> Anon on Greedmun's side sees that Ozaki is dropped as well as seeing a new joint less-activity post, points this out as evidence for others avoiding her and wants Jade to "take a hint".
> Another wankstorm starts.
> DDD revealed to have a problem with muns avoiding.
Conclusion? Jade is still suspicious, there's no way to prove or disprove innocence or being guilty, no time given to conclude if she has improved, but whiteknights on both sides are making a mess of things. I think the worst part of all of this is the revelation that DDD has major P/A issues going on.

My argument here is that even if you believe she is guilty, saying that she can't take crit, cannot improve, starts wank after every crit received (logged in or not), and should be avoided due to these reasons is false. She's not unreasonable, and she did improve. So be suspicious of her, that's fine, I'm sure plenty of people are and there's nothing to be done with it. If one of the basis of your suspicion is that she cannot take crit, you've got a pretty weak argument going as the first case says otherwise.

tl;dr The suspicion will never be prove true or false, but just know that she can take crit, and none of you should be worried about it in the future. Ignoring her for one suspicious fiasco and ignoring the good outcomes of another incidence of is both premature and unsavory.

^ This. This so much. She can take crit and she did improve and no wank was stared by Jade after the first crit was received. But she did improve, and as far as I know everyone's play time was better. I want to know how is it that grudgeanons still exist from this first event when everything was settled? That's the a clear cut definition of "grudge", that they still have beef with her even when she's improved.

.....I think you made the same typo as me, anon. Have a *this

I would like to add that both Greedmun and Jade are level headed people from any interaction I've had with them or read about them. Any side drama seems to be caused by 'their' respective anons. While Jade remains suspicious, coming to a conclusion is in poor taste. The secret did target more than one person. The anon that started this wank pointed out that people are avoiding her, and it turns out that that's true. Go on RPanons and you can see another mun (Tails-mun) is being avoided for OOC reasons. Anon also mentions that there is semi-regular 'list' that goes out complaining on mun activity and branching out. That's good evidence for many DDD-ers being suspicious of contributing to OOC avoidance of muns and those affected besides Jade. If it is one good thing that came out of this wank, it's the avoidance issue that's been brought to light, and so we can all work on it as a game. As this very same issue involves many muns and the victims of negligence at DDD and seems to have been going on for a very long time, it opens up the window of suspicion to many other muns affected by avoidance that possibly made that secret.

THANK YOU. Finally someone who lays out what's what in a clear and concise manner.

If she did start the wankfest on which EVERYBODY even on her side agrees is suspicious then even if you think she's improved you're going to worry about what's going to happen if you do have to crit her again. Or think she has another problem with him but since they don't talk OOCly that's not likely.

I thought it was just established that she can take crit well, suspicious circumstances nonwithstanding. Also, Jade and Greedmun do talk OOCly in PMs.

No, it wasn't. If she wanked on him for it then that's NOT taking crit well. The most obvious reason is the crit. If she wanked for anything else like it sure looks like she did I still wouldn't want to tag with her.

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All the people who say she cannot take crit logged in are ignoring this first part where she did take crit, answered questions as best she could, mods dealt with it, and things were solved. It was Greedmun and other anons who started their own wank before the mods did anything and before Jade had a chance to improve. In fact, Greedmun was only complaining; the other DDD anons that joined in turned it into wank. Jade never wanked on anyone after receiving that crit, or even made a p/a Plurk.

She did improve: there is no godmodding to grudge about. Maybe I should clarify from my view: there never was as she always used permission; it was only a potential problem that was fixed before it became anything more. Said godmodding powers she received permission to have from a mod, only used in two separate plots with permission from the respective muns. I believe that one mun extended the duration of the effect of this power for their own plot. Incidentally, it is a good thing that Greedmun and others brought it to the mods, but it was hardly wankworthy, imho, seeing as they apparently spoke again and things were eventually righted out.

'Can't take crit because she will wank about you' is a sentiment so unbelievably immature that it is beginning to make me uncomfortable with the playerbase here. The first time she was critiqued logged in there was no wank except from Greedmun and others, and even then it wasn't necessary because they didn't wait for mods or look for any improvement. The second case is indeed suspicious, but I'm saying even with that suspicion the first case still stands stronger. Try to keep your feelings out of this and compare the two instances of crit. If anything at all, logged in crit is better as it resulted in player improvement, better gameplay for all, and there was no wank from her (only the miffed party).

Therefore, avoiding her altogether and saying she neither can take any kind of crit nor improve is a weak conclusion to draw from all of this.

Infomoding is a type of godmodding. If she thought he was bullying her with godmod and infomod accusations and grudgewanked over that it still makes her look better than the alternative.

They didn't talk much outside of plotting, that's clear. So her only other motivation is IC. They do have negative CR. I don't know about the self inserting snowflake thing but this would sure as hell support it.

It's nicer to think she can't take crit.

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